Torin»F«:

tonights topic is the protcols of interacting with the less common gorean characters,,such as Panthers, Kur's, she urts, etc.
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

less common?
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Torin»F«:

its pretty clear from home to home how to deal with most Free men and free women,,slaves call them Master and Mistress not a lot of discussion on that
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Torin»F«:

but that is not the case with other characters,,in fact Panthers alone cause endless debate
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Torin»F«:

Mistress, Huntress,, Panther,,
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Torin»F«:

so lets start with Panthers
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

nods to that one
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Torin»F«:

how do you all believe they should be addressed by slaves, by Free etc.
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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Torin»F«:

karimah
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

^c
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

girl believes that as slaves.. even though they are outlaws they are still Free and we should address them as the slaves in the books addressed the Panthers.. as Mistress
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she believes that for Free it is different.. the Panthers spurned the society that the Free belong too.. if the Free wish to ignore them for that.. or all them whatever they want.. that is their right
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

C^
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

done
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Torin»F«:

raziya
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

thank You Master
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

razi agrees with kari, in calling them Mistress. she is forever being corrected in how to address them or even recognizing them in the first place
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

done
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Torin»F«:

soraya
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^i was trained to addresss them as *panther* unless they are in a city, in robes in which case, we would not know they are panthers then address them as Mistress.
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles in greetings to the Mistress who just entered*
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

so i greet them as greetings Panther, and i have yet to come acrossed one that found that as a insult.
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

Huntress..i never use. ..Done
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Torin»F«:

Kiah your turn if you still have a comment
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I will address all capped people as Free as long as the Men of Gor allow them to be capped... there is no mistaking of this, as to virtues and recognition, by Myself, that may be a different thing
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I apologise for My Partners manners
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Torin»F«:

:smiles
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Torin»F«:

ok done with your comment?
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

done
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Torin»F«:

when it comes to the Huntress argument
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Torin»F«:

though I agree there is no such reference in the books
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Torin»F«:

when it comes to how a slave address a Free
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{noggie}~R~§~:

^c
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Torin»F«:

if Free says call me Huntress, or queen bitch for that matter, should the slave not obey?
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Torin»F«:

noggie
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{noggie}~R~§~:

thank you Master
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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{noggie}~R~§~:

well Panthers werent Frees, they were usually run away slaves. they didnt even belong to Gorean Community.. so they are less than slaves.. the correct way to call them is Panther.. thats the way im suppose to call them
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{noggie}~R~§~:

done
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Torin»F«:

karimah
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

firstly.. just to what noggie said... some of the panthers were runaway slaves.. but many were Free Women who fled to the forests to escape FC's they didn't want and other reasons..
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

they were not FW as we know them.. but they were free persons.. as in . they were not slaves
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{noggie}~R~§~:

^C
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Torin»F«:

enter molly
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~molly~:

:smiles to E/everyone
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~molly~:

:remains silent so as not to disturb
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

girl had an interesting debate with Master Vagabond last night.. in which he raised the question that should a slave obey mindlessly to what she knows it incorrect according to the books of Gor ?
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

kari has always obeyed .. but thought what he said made sense.. that it is up to each of us to maintain the integrity of Gor.. and that perhaps mindless obedience to the wrong thing.. is not the best
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thing for Gor
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

:ponders that
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she just wanted to throw that in there... done
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Torin»F«:

soraya
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^it was my understanding panthers are lower then slaves as they are outlaws, so if a panther commanded me to wash her feet or whatever, i would refer her to my Master.so no i wouldnt follow the order of a panther.
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

C^
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Ladorria:

^C
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

.
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Torin»F«:

you done girl?
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

dang i lost my train of thought after that..
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

yes done
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Torin»F«:

noggie
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{noggie}~R~§~:

thank you Master
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

karis fault
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*laughs*
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

yeah blame the aussie
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

grins
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*listens to noggie*
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{noggie}~R~§~:

i dont agree that panthers are the same a FW, they had to hide in the forest, they hated men.. and Gor is a man world.. .. they were outlaws.. so for me.. they are not FW or Mistressess
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{noggie}~R~§~:

done
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Torin»F«:

ok let me really cause trouble here
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

ut oh
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I have visited other sites that are of differing lifestyles... Goreans in general, seem to be being attacked with little consideration given to understanding us. I find this to be a sad thing.
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

sorry, I saw My C disappeared
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

it fads with time
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

fades*
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Torin»F«:

go ahead Kiah
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

and having said that, I see Panthers as being renegads nd outlaws of that which we need to protect
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

blasted keyboards
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

lol
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Torin»F«:

:smiles
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

lol
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Torin»F«:

ok done?
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

^C
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

the discriminate the words of Our Mentors
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

they*
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

and personally, I have little time for them
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

done
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Torin»F«:

there are many Male Outlaws, and there seems to be no debate on greeting them, why are Panthers outlaws different, because they are female?
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Torin»F«:

ok Ladorria your up
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Ladorria:

not sure that it's wise for a slave to go around disobeying a free, panther or not.. kari had it right about panthers, not all were run away slaves, some were FW escaping a bad FCship or whatever.. point is, a slave is a slave and should obey
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{noggie}~R~§~:

^C
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Ladorria:

now... by picking and chosing who to obey, it does not reflect well on the slave. of course, that's not to say that common sense shouldn't be used, either, but what I am saying is that there are ways around having to obey without usurping one's
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles in agreement*
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Ladorria:

station. like a slave not roaming and placing herself in the presence of panthers in the first place if she can help it.
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Ladorria:

better that, than outwardly disobeying, it just makes the slave look like a subbie brat, IMHO.
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Ladorria:

done
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Torin»F«:

Justar
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

I will say this lightly
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

in any socitey there has to be a group of abnormals to keep the normal or several groups... other wise there is no balance done
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*grins thinking on that*
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles
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Torin»F«:

ok was that done the end of your sentence or done as in your done with your comment
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Torin»F«:

LOL
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*chuckles*
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

done as in done
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

heh
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Torin»F«:

laughs
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Torin»F«:

ok noggie
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

done like a donut
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{noggie}~R~§~:

A real Free person, walks in the city.. as they are.. not hidding behind robes.. so they are a weird kind of Free.. i feel online they want all the privilages, they mate .. they want slaves to serve them.. and to be respect by FM..
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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{noggie}~R~§~:

i do naturally obey.. and wouldnt go into a fit with a panther or slave.. but i do feel its weird..
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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{noggie}~R~§~:

done
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Torin»F«:

kari
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

C^
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

i agree with noggie.. and that is where there is a lot of conflict for kari.. i agree too with the principle of what Master Vagabond said.. that we all need to uphold the integrity of Gor.. .. but
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Torin»F«:

^C
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

at the same time.. what Mistress said is very true too.. we are slaves.. and for our own sakes, we need to be careful to remember our place.. and not let our slavery be tainted by deciding who we
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

serve or don't serve.. but she thinks that perhaps it is up to the Free of Pal Gor to protect the integrity of the books.. and look at why we allow the outlaws the same priviledges as the Free Women.
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

done
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Torin»F«:

Kiah
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

what is this 'hiding behind robes' stuff? it is a requirement of Men to FW, no more, no less... done
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Ladorria:

:nods in agreement with kari
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Justar~Fo§~SC:

nods in agreement
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Torin»F«:

ok I'll give my take on this and say give a very definative
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Torin»F«:

it depends
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Torin»F«:

on one hand
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

lol
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Torin»F«:

if a slave goes wandering into a Forest
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{noggie}~R~§~:

^C
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Torin»F«:

the panthers home and says,,,I wont call you Mistress or Huntress cause I'm "smarter then you",,in so many words
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Torin»F«:

she is being a brat period
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Torin»F«:

you go to the panthers forest, follow their rules and if you can't then dont friggen go there
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Torin»F«:

now
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Torin»F«:

when panthers come out to other homes
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Torin»F«:

in theory
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

nods
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Torin»F«:

they should be in robes and dressed like a free woman in "disguise"
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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Torin»F«:

and if they are, even if you know they are a panther,, I'm sorry but adress their disguise and go with the roleplay
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Torin»F«:

and call them Mistress
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Torin»F«:

if they come in half naked with panther paws and all that
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

^c
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Torin»F«:

well, frankly to me how you adresses them at that point is of little issue because they are not behaving as Free should
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Torin»F«:

to add another layer of confusion
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

nods
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Torin»F«:

is the homes rules where the panther visits
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Torin»F«:

I dont allow "Huntress" here
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Torin»F«:

soo sometimes a panther gets pissed
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Torin»F«:

but the slaves are told the follow the rules of their home in their home
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Torin»F«:

so they will
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Torin»F«:

soo in short
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Torin»F«:

it depends
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Torin»F«:

laughs
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

lol
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Torin»F«:

razi
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Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I like that thinking
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

how does one recognize a panther.... sometimes the veils are not clearly evident?
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

done
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Torin»F«:

well my point is if you cant tell call them Mistress
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Torin»F«:

karimah
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[7:50:13 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

: they got paws all over
[7:50:13 PM] ...............................
[7:50:19 PM]

Torin»F«:

LOL noggie
[7:50:19 PM] ...............................
[7:50:27 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

^c
[7:50:27 PM] ...............................
[7:50:29 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles* thank you Master
[7:50:29 PM] ...............................
[7:50:52 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

she has in the past and has been corrected for it
[7:50:52 PM] ...............................
[7:51:22 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

girl agrees with what you said.. about if they are in disguise to go ahead with their roleplay.. however.. she questions if the roleplay should be more complete.. and that when they disguise their avs
[7:51:22 PM] ...............................
[7:51:56 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

with veils and robes... should they not disguise the PL or whatever on their tags too? .. and the attitude that goes with it all often? .. done
[7:51:56 PM] ...............................
[7:52:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

noggie
[7:52:10 PM] ...............................
[7:52:15 PM]

Ladorria:

^c
[7:52:15 PM] ...............................
[7:52:20 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

i was thinking MAster
[7:52:20 PM] ...............................
[7:52:24 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

about your comment
[7:52:24 PM] ...............................
[7:52:31 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

we should call them Mistress...
[7:52:31 PM] ...............................
[7:52:40 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

if they come to the city wtih a FW av
[7:52:40 PM] ...............................
[7:52:44 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

my question is
[7:52:44 PM] ...............................
[7:53:01 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

what if. the comming FW was a run away slave? you would tell your slave to call her Mistress?
[7:53:01 PM] ...............................
[7:53:05 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

its confusing for me
[7:53:05 PM] ...............................
[7:53:09 PM]

{noggie}~R~§~:

done
[7:53:09 PM] ...............................
[7:53:12 PM]

Torin»F«:

raya
[7:53:12 PM] ...............................
[7:53:16 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^i am really going to step into it this time, but here goes,as for *picking and choosing* how we as slaves serve or offer service..lets face it..we all do that. We all at times, pick and choose who we will offer service to. be them FM, FW or panthers.
[7:53:16 PM] ...............................
[7:53:48 PM]

Torin»F«:

:moves his feet
[7:53:48 PM] ...............................
[7:54:01 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^some slaves are ordered not to offer service or obey panthers. i myself do not put myself in the situation where there will be panthers.
[7:54:01 PM] ...............................
[7:54:20 PM]

Ladorria:


[7:54:20 PM] ...............................
[7:54:25 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

done
[7:54:25 PM] ...............................
[7:54:32 PM]

Torin»F«:

change you mind Ladorria
[7:54:32 PM] ...............................
[7:54:44 PM]

Ladorria:

yep
[7:54:44 PM] ...............................
[7:54:46 PM]

Torin»F«:

laughs
[7:54:46 PM] ...............................
[7:55:00 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok to adress raziya I assume your talking a fair situation
[7:55:00 PM] ...............................
[7:55:04 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

Tal Kiswahili
[7:55:04 PM] ...............................
[7:55:21 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

nice to see You join Us
[7:55:21 PM] ...............................
[7:55:23 PM]

Ladorria:

\was just going to say that I, for some reason unknown to me get along well with Panthers.. always have.. it's weird, because you'd think that me, of all folks, wouldn't
[7:55:23 PM] ...............................
[7:55:24 PM]

Kiswahili <JF> CA:

:nods
[7:55:24 PM] ...............................
[7:55:25 PM]

Torin»F«:

again in theory the fair rules say they must be vieled thus in disguise
[7:55:25 PM] ...............................
[7:55:44 PM]

Torin»F«:

:listens
[7:55:44 PM] ...............................
[7:55:49 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

:waves to the Handsome Master of JF
[7:55:49 PM] ...............................
[7:55:51 PM]

Ladorria:

that's all
[7:55:51 PM] ...............................
[7:55:56 PM]

Ladorria:

sorry..go ahead
[7:55:56 PM] ...............................
[7:56:01 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

^c
[7:56:01 PM] ...............................
[7:56:03 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

it's not about that for Me...
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[7:56:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

soo in disguise raziya Mistress would be proper
[7:56:04 PM] ...............................
[7:56:07 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

sorry
[7:56:07 PM] ...............................
[7:56:13 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles in greeting to the Master of Jorts Ferry*
[7:56:13 PM] ...............................
[7:56:33 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

C^
[7:56:33 PM] ...............................
[7:56:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

and if they correct you for that, as a slave, smile and accept the correction perhaps but let your owner or your homes owner or at a fair someone in the committee know as I would think it would be up to the Free to correct that
[7:56:51 PM] ...............................
[7:57:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

something else raziya?
[7:57:07 PM] ...............................
[7:57:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

go ahead raziya
[7:57:51 PM] ...............................
[7:58:52 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

razi went visiting one day, in the home she visited was a Panther, she greeted in the "default" Mistress adn was corrected for it. she is still fairly new to Pal Gor and has yet to learn to recognize a Panther when she sees one
[7:58:52 PM] ...............................
[7:59:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok
[7:59:04 PM] ...............................
[7:59:18 PM]

Kiswahili <JF> CA:

^C
[7:59:18 PM] ...............................
[7:59:30 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

done
[7:59:30 PM] ...............................
[7:59:33 PM]

Torin»F«:

Kiah did you still have something
[7:59:33 PM] ...............................
[7:59:38 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

Panthers. Outlaws etc, can be the most appetising of People, loving ect, but, when it comes to Our Gorean society, they are not doing Us justice... not in the true sense of the word
[7:59:38 PM] ...............................
[8:00:14 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I can only wish things be different in that sense
[8:00:14 PM] ...............................
[8:00:45 PM]

Torin»F«:

:listens
[8:00:45 PM] ...............................
[8:00:57 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

it is Our Men of Gor who need empowering, not the whims of Panthers
[8:00:57 PM] ...............................
[8:01:12 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
[8:01:12 PM] ...............................
[8:01:30 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles*
[8:01:30 PM] ...............................
[8:01:32 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

most Outlaw Men I have met have not really been outlasw
[8:01:32 PM] ...............................
[8:01:42 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
[8:01:42 PM] ...............................
[8:02:20 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

a Gorean society can be a very strong society if ALL respect it
[8:02:20 PM] ...............................
[8:02:24 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

done
[8:02:24 PM] ...............................
[8:02:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

Kiswahili
[8:02:28 PM] ...............................
[8:02:29 PM]

Kiswahili <JF> CA:

According to the books all Free Women are to be addressed a "Mistress" so you can't go wrong by addressing them that way. I have always instructed slaves under my control to address them only as Mistress.
[8:02:29 PM] ...............................
[8:02:35 PM]

Kiswahili <JF> CA:

Done
[8:02:35 PM] ...............................
[8:02:42 PM]

Torin»F«:

Laddoria
[8:02:42 PM] ...............................
[8:02:45 PM]

Ladorria:

a true man doesn't need empowering, he has it already. to suggest they need to be empowered, suggests that he is less than what he is....
[8:02:45 PM] ...............................
[8:03:19 PM]

Justar~Fo§~SC:

nods
[8:03:19 PM] ...............................
[8:03:41 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

a Man who is surrounded by insubordinate Women has extra work to do that He does not need
[8:03:41 PM] ...............................
[8:03:59 PM]

Ladorria:

backspaces
[8:03:59 PM] ...............................
[8:04:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

thats a whole other topic for another day
[8:04:04 PM] ...............................
[8:04:08 PM]

~molly~:

:listens
[8:04:08 PM] ...............................
[8:04:47 PM]

Ladorria:

a man will not tolerate insubordination and the women will not be around him for long if that be the case... not all panthers are like that... I've met a few that are actually respectful when they're out visiting
[8:04:47 PM] ...............................
[8:05:16 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

I did not question that...
[8:05:16 PM] ...............................
[8:05:28 PM]

Ladorria:

but I think that there's room in our society for the panthers, as long as they keep protocol and not go out of their way to disrupt
[8:05:28 PM] ...............................
[8:05:30 PM]

Ladorria:

done
[8:05:30 PM] ...............................
[8:05:34 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

in fact, admitted to that
[8:05:34 PM] ...............................
[8:05:34 PM]

Torin»F«:

kari
[8:05:34 PM] ...............................
[8:05:40 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
[8:05:40 PM] ...............................
[8:06:25 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

for the record.. most here may know.. kari was once a Panther herself.. she has nothing against them, and thinks their place online is a valid one.. but doesn't think they should stroll into cities
[8:06:25 PM] ...............................
[8:07:17 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

challenging men or flaunting their Panther-ness.. lol.. but she also thinks we need to even the tables with Outlaw Men.. they were captured and hamstrung on sight in cities usually or hung..
[8:07:17 PM] ...............................
[8:07:28 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

as the books state, there are 2 kinds of Women on Gor, one is slave, the other is slave...
[8:07:28 PM] ...............................
[8:07:40 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she thinks we should be more even handed with out attitude to Outlaw Men.. done
[8:07:40 PM] ...............................
[8:07:44 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok lets move on to some other characters, I am aware there was a Kur wandering around palace..
[8:07:44 PM] ...............................
[8:07:57 PM]

Ladorria:

huh?
[8:07:57 PM] ...............................
[8:07:59 PM]

Torin»F«:

now for those that dont know a Kur is a large (8-9') furred, mammal having 4 legs, which can stand upright or on all fours; each paw has 6 multiple-jointed digits with retractable claws and an opposing thumb. It has 2 rows of teeth. They are incredibly s
[8:07:59 PM] ...............................
[8:08:11 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

lol Torin
[8:08:11 PM] ...............................
[8:08:22 PM]

Torin»F«:

strong and ferocious, and are carnivorous, regarding humans as food.
[8:08:22 PM] ...............................
[8:08:22 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

love the humour
[8:08:22 PM] ...............................
[8:08:26 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*grins.. knowing there are heaps of Kur with special avs and all on Second Life*
[8:08:26 PM] ...............................
[8:08:30 PM]

Torin»F«:

I'm serious
[8:08:30 PM] ...............................
[8:08:49 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

oh I know
[8:08:49 PM] ...............................
[8:08:52 PM]

Torin»F«:

now there was some debate on whether people should show respect and adress this dude as Master
[8:08:52 PM] ...............................
[8:09:01 PM]

Ladorria:

ummm.. no
[8:09:01 PM] ...............................
[8:09:05 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

lol
[8:09:05 PM] ...............................
[8:09:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

yea
[8:09:07 PM] ...............................
[8:09:09 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
[8:09:09 PM] ...............................
[8:09:14 PM]

Torin»F«:

they think you are food
[8:09:14 PM] ...............................
[8:09:20 PM]

Torin»F«:

the proper way to adress them is
[8:09:20 PM] ...............................
[8:09:22 PM]

Torin»F«:

RUN
[8:09:22 PM] ...............................
[8:09:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

kari
[8:09:28 PM] ...............................
[8:09:28 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*lauggghsss*
[8:09:28 PM] ...............................
[8:09:29 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

lol
[8:09:29 PM] ...............................
[8:09:29 PM]

Ladorria:

laughs
[8:09:29 PM] ...............................
[8:09:34 PM]

~molly~:

:smiles
[8:09:34 PM] ...............................
[8:09:37 PM]

Kiah¤FC¤Relius¤Ñ¥¶¤:

too funny
[8:09:37 PM] ...............................
[8:09:38 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
[8:09:38 PM] ...............................
[8:09:43 PM]

Justar~Fo§~SC:

lol
[8:09:43 PM] ...............................
[8:10:20 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

girl was going to say.. she's a slave.. they eat us for appetisers.. lunch.. dinner and desert.. if she sees a Kur she will be as polite as she can be until she can leave.. but she thinks that this is
[8:10:20 PM] ...............................
[8:10:59 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

where the Free need to take back Gor.. and look carefully at who they will allow in the cities.. Kur were against the Goreans.. they were trying to wipe them out
[8:10:59 PM] ...............................
[8:11:02 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

who in their right mind invites an enemy into their home and has them treated as a guest ?
[8:11:26 PM] ...............................
[8:11:27 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

done
[8:11:27 PM] ...............................
[8:11:32 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok I havent seen one in a while but a more controversial character that wandered about palace gor, and there were a couple of them
[8:12:01 PM] ...............................
[8:12:05 PM]

Torin»F«:

were she urts
[8:12:05 PM] ...............................
[8:12:22 PM]

Ladorria:

this is uncanny to me
[8:12:22 PM] ...............................
[8:12:38 PM]

Torin»F«:

she urts for those that dont know were homeless free girls - runaways, vagabonds, orphans, etc. - who live near the canals in port cities, surviving by scavenging, begging, stealing, and sleeping with paga attendants; they sleep wherever they find space,
[8:12:38 PM] ...............................
[8:13:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

now frankly
[8:13:07 PM] ...............................
[8:13:25 PM]

Torin»F«:

is a rather fun and no rules kinda rule to play for a girl
[8:13:25 PM] ...............................
[8:13:40 PM]

Torin»F«:

and I wouldnt expect other slaves to treat such a character with anything but disdain
[8:13:40 PM] ...............................
[8:14:05 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles*
[8:14:05 PM] ...............................
[8:14:12 PM]

Torin»F«:

but the Free treatment of them was where the controversy lied
[8:14:12 PM] ...............................
[8:14:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

some saw them as fun,, free furing bait
[8:14:28 PM] ...............................
[8:14:47 PM]

Torin»F«:

let them wander come and go as they pleased without serving or anything
[8:14:47 PM] ...............................
[8:14:56 PM]

Ladorria:

I would look at them as a potential need for some serious penicillin after a roll with one of them
[8:14:56 PM] ...............................
[8:15:02 PM]

Torin»F«:

LOL
[8:15:02 PM] ...............................
[8:15:22 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*laughs*
[8:15:22 PM] ...............................
[8:15:27 PM]

Ladorria:

oops.. sorry, lost my head for a moment there
[8:15:27 PM] ...............................
[8:15:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

other free had no sense of humor and would tell such a girl, come in this home again your gonna find a collar on your neck
[8:15:28 PM] ...............................
[8:15:45 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
[8:15:45 PM] ...............................
[8:15:50 PM]

Torin»F«:

any opinions on how a she urt should be handled
[8:15:50 PM] ...............................
[8:15:52 PM]

Torin»F«:

kari
[8:15:52 PM] ...............................
[8:16:07 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
[8:16:07 PM] ...............................
[8:16:09 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

sorry.. she is very opinionated today ..lol.. thank you Master
[8:16:09 PM] ...............................
[8:16:17 PM]

Torin»F«:

and thats unusual?
[8:16:17 PM] ...............................
[8:16:20 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

today?
[8:16:20 PM] ...............................
[8:16:22 PM]

Torin»F«:

:grins
[8:16:22 PM] ...............................
[8:16:22 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

*winks*
[8:16:22 PM] ...............................
[8:16:36 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*laughss* no Master. just more so today.. lol
[8:16:36 PM] ...............................
[8:16:37 PM]

Torin»F«:

double whammy there laughs
[8:16:37 PM] ...............................
[8:16:45 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*giggles* ..
[8:16:45 PM] ...............................
[8:16:45 PM]

Torin»F«:

:listens
[8:16:45 PM] ...............................
[8:17:32 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she thinks that the "sense of humour" towards them .. while that's an okay way to deal with it.. can then be a bit of a slap in the face for FW and slaves alike who do the right thing.. again..
[8:17:32 PM] ...............................
[8:18:12 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

in the books urts were only in the lower parts of the city.. usually down by the docks.. they were not socialising in the main city with those of high castes..
[8:18:12 PM] ...............................
 

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

and they were very often collared.. she thinks that we need to keep it "real" by the books.. and not encourage an avenue for bratty behaviour
[8:18:46 PM] ...............................
[8:19:15 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she thinks that if they come to a city they should watch that they behave.. done
[8:19:15 PM] ...............................
[8:19:24 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
[8:19:24 PM] ...............................
[8:19:26 PM]

Ladorria:

personally, I think that anyone that would choose to go around Gor as a she urt is just plain lazy. They don't want to work for their place in a very structured society.. Too lazy to work at being a good slave, and too lazy to work at being a FW
[8:19:26 PM] ...............................
[8:20:20 PM]

Ladorria:

It's my opinion that unless the home is Port Kar, there is no place for them, especially as kari said, amongst those of high caste... it just wasn't done
[8:20:20 PM] ...............................
[8:20:45 PM]

Torin»F«:

what is with the done being the end of a sentence tonight
[8:20:45 PM] ...............................
[8:20:48 PM]

Torin»F«:

LOL
[8:20:48 PM] ...............................
[8:21:02 PM]

Torin»F«:

are you done done
[8:21:02 PM] ...............................
[8:21:04 PM]

Ladorria:

it's like they don't want the responsibility of a slave, or the properness of a FW.... it's liek they're in between stations or something
[8:21:04 PM] ...............................
[8:21:07 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*giggles* line economy
[8:21:07 PM] ...............................
[8:21:16 PM]

Ladorria:

now I'm done
[8:21:16 PM] ...............................
[8:21:18 PM]

Ladorria:

laughs
[8:21:18 PM] ...............................
[8:21:20 PM]

Torin»F«:

laughs
[8:21:20 PM] ...............................
[8:21:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok let me defend she urts a tad
[8:21:28 PM] ...............................
[8:21:38 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*laughs and listens*
[8:21:38 PM] ...............................
[8:21:39 PM]

Torin»F«:

to really role play the role by the books and stick to it
[8:21:39 PM] ...............................
[8:21:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

it can be actually very difficult
[8:21:51 PM] ...............................
[8:21:57 PM]

Torin»F«:

and not "lazy"
[8:21:57 PM] ...............................
[8:22:08 PM]

Torin»F«:

so if they do that
[8:22:08 PM] ...............................
[8:22:23 PM]

Torin»F«:

as a temporary thing to say,,stretch their wings a bit
[8:22:23 PM] ...............................
[8:22:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

I dont have an issue with it
[8:22:28 PM] ...............................
[8:22:37 PM]

Torin»F«:

but if they are just using it to be fur bunnies
[8:22:37 PM] ...............................
[8:22:50 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
[8:22:50 PM] ...............................
[8:22:50 PM]

Torin»F«:

and to be lazy,,yea, kick em out or slap a collar on their neck
[8:22:50 PM] ...............................
[8:23:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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Ladorria:

a temporary thing?? why not choose a lower caste or something... maybe a Tuchuk or something until they figure it out
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Ladorria:

a she urt?
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C
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Ladorria:

that's just crazy and if she's using it to discover herself, if she chooses to take the path of the FW.... I could never accept her
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Ladorria:

done
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Ladorria:

sorry
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[8:24:37 PM]

Ladorria:

one more quick thing
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Torin»F«:

raya
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Torin»F«:

wait
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Torin»F«:

yes?
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Ladorria:

better to start out on your feet and fall to your knees, than on your knees and try to rise up
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Ladorria:

figure of speech but you get the point, I think
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Ladorria:

now I'm done
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Torin»F«:

:nods
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Torin»F«:

raya
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

in a home i was a slave in once..long ago, we had a she urt..she played the role very well, she stayed in the back and we would feed her now and then.
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

i would think..a she -urt isnt a far cry from a panther,panthers are in a sense homeless..etc..they are between stations..
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

only diffreance is they may bathe more then a she -urt
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

done
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Torin»F«:

maybe LOL
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Torin»F«:

kari has the last word tonight
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*whispers.. kitty's hate water*
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

of course ..this was role play
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

she just wanted to say that kari believes that any human or humannoid character from the books - including Kur (not animals like larls, etc) - have a right to be represented on Pal Gor.. but that they
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

nods
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

should do so in accordance to the books.. and to act as they would have in the books.. and to not go where they would not have been able to go in the books.. if they wish to choose one of those
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

characters they should be true to the role
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

done Master
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Torin»F«:

calling a kur humaniod is a stretch but,,,thats for another time
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

well said kari
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Torin»F«:

thanks all for coming,, there will be no Focus discussions during fair
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Torin»F«:

so we will be off for two weeks
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

great discussion Master
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Torin»F«:

will be back here in 3
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

well didn't know how else to describe Kur Master.. LOL.. they were thinking and talking.. not just an animal
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Torin»F«:

oh I didnt know they talked
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Torin»F«:

LOL
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles* thank you for another very interesting discussion night Master :)
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{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

yes through the use of the translaters
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