Torin»F«

tonights topic,,,,good planning here,,,polygamy!!

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{soraya}Torin»F«

lol

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Winter~FC~Benny»F«

congrats on the year

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

*chuckles* 

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{raziya}Winter»F«

congratulations Master and soraya

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Torin»F«

gor has a reputation with many

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{soraya}Torin»F«

thank You 

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Torin»F«

of being a word that is very much about polygmous relationships

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Torin»F«

world that is

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Torin»F«

many times I have heard "submissives" say,,well I dont like gor cause I don't like to share

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Ladorria

^C

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Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC

^C

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Torin»F«

yes, there are many Free that own mulitple slaves

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Torin»F«

some have a FC and a slave

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Torin»F«

but yet, there are many that don't

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Torin»F«

and have one on one relationships

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Torin»F«

is either polygamy or monagamy more gorean then the other

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Torin»F«

Ladorria

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Ladorria

well, first off, it's completely up to the people in the relationship, whether it's the slave or the free companion,etc.  though I will say that it's up to the master on how many slaves he wishes to own

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Ladorria

it's up to the slave to beg the collar, and surely she would know whether or not he would be the type to keep a chain

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Ladorria

but all of that said, neither is more Gorean than the other... a Gorean does not have to own slaves to still remain Gorean.. that's not what Gor is about

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Yahto~GP~

:nods to Ladorria

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Ladorria

Gor is about the set of principles that we all adhere to, not about the M/s relationship only

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Ladorria

done

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Torin»F«

Justar

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Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC

I don't understand this as to Me being a FM it grants the ability for the slaves to share the worke load...In My opionion it allows the Free to have more time for Each slave as there is not as much

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Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC

for the Free and each slave to accoplish during the given day ...as far as FC that is a whole other ballgame.... Done

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

^C - kari

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Torin»F«

kari

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

thank you Master :)

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

kari thinks that *some* people online tend to think of building up a chain of slaves more like a harem.. and as a like a "love nest" that is now how it was in the books

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

those who owned multiple slaves did so as a  work force.. but also with the mentality of someone purchasing one or more pets as well.. it was not focused on the potential for raging orgies *laughs*

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Torin»F«

damn

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Yahto~GP~

lol

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

*winks to him*

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Ladorria

laughs

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Torin»F«

:smiles and listens

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Ladorria

^C

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Yahto~GP~

^C

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

and there are quotes in the books too about one on one.. and Love Masters and love slaves.. so that was obviously well accepted too.. she thinks that neither polygamy nor monogomy is more Gor.. 

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Torin»F«

:pulls dayeah up

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{karimah}Å«Fo§»

she thinks what makes both Gorean is that is soley at the discretion of each FM which he chooses to observe.. done

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Torin»F«

Ladorria

Ladorria

Yahto, first please

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Ladorria

he hasn't spoken yet

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Ladorria

^C

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Yahto~GP~

^First off ,slavery is institutional on Gor ,so owning more then one slave was not uncommon ,that he furred more then one slave or his FC is not uncommon either 

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Yahto~GP~:

^So the polygamy we define in eartly terms ,is not quiete exact the same as in Gor
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[7:22:14 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

^And I agree with was said before ,polygamy or monogamy does not define if you are Gorean or not *done*
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[7:22:20 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok now Ladorria
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[7:22:22 PM]

Ladorria:

as far as FCship goes, it is said many times in the books that a man may own many slaves, but will have only one free companion. The free companion is the closest thing to marriage that Gor had. All of that said, it's easy to say men furred many....
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[7:22:53 PM]

Ladorria:

but let's admit it... that was in a set of novels
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[7:23:20 PM]

Ladorria:

I ask each of you men... would you want to be furring someone that has furred everyone else around as well for real?
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[7:23:30 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles and nods
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Yahto~GP~:

...
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[7:23:59 PM]

Ladorria:

and slaves... I would ask you... would you want to be furring a man who furs many all the time?
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[7:24:01 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

darn P4 grinn
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

hell no
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[7:24:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

uh oh
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[7:24:29 PM]

Torin»F«:

:grins and listens
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[7:24:34 PM]

Ladorria:

I think that it all depends again on what someone's reason for being here is exactly... there are some that are here for the furring and the role play, sure
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[7:24:45 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

razi has never furred a FM in real yet
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Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

^C
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[7:25:05 PM]

Ladorria:

but there are others that are here to be with like minded individuals and not the role play
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[7:25:18 PM]

Ladorria:

so it's a balance
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[7:25:23 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[7:25:24 PM]

Torin»F«:

Justar
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Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

having said all that I had.... I was talking real
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[7:27:28 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

online chains are a different thing
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[7:27:56 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

C
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[7:28:02 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

it takes a lot of time and effort here on line to build trust
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[7:28:47 PM]

Torin»F«:

^C
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[7:28:59 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

and if a FM takes on more then 1 slave or FC and slave He has to make sure all can get along on a funtmintal level
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[7:29:05 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

done
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[7:29:08 PM]

Torin»F«:

Yahto
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[7:29:19 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

I tend to disagree a bit with Justar ,when he says online chains are different ,they are real persons behind the pc *done*
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[7:29:24 PM]

Ladorria:

:nods to Justar
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Ladorria:

^C
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[7:29:39 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

^C
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Torin»F«:

I think it all comes down to one of the first things Ladorria said
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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[7:30:09 PM]

Torin»F«:

it depends on the relationship and the people in it, and what they want out of the relationship...
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[7:30:54 PM]

Torin»F«:

Many people in online gor are married or are in real life relationships and thus they don't seek that here.
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[7:31:37 PM]

Torin»F«:

the relationships here are not about being in love, but being mastered
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[7:31:50 PM]

Torin»F«:

for those people I mean
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[7:31:55 PM]

Torin»F«:

in theory
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[7:31:57 PM]

Torin»F«:

laughs
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[7:32:37 PM]

Torin»F«:

soo it would seem to me that being on a chain with a Master that is able to do that with multiple slaves, it is more likely to work well for all
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[7:33:05 PM]

Torin»F«:

is it easy even in a strictly online context
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[7:33:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

nope
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[7:33:19 PM]

Torin»F«:

as Justar said,, it takes time to build trust
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[7:34:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

it takes time period, there is a natural jealousy that develops whether its just online or not, and preaching there is no room for jealousy on gor is about as effective as drinking black wine to get a good drunk
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[7:34:29 PM]

Torin»F«:

but if upfront
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{dayeah}»F«:

^idle
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{dayeah}»F«:

.
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Torin»F«:

everyone in that chain knows, what to expect from the relationship
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[7:35:15 PM]

Torin»F«:

and its on the same page as the Masters, and he has the ability to manage it well, no matter how hard it may be,,then it can work to everyones benifit
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[7:35:21 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
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[7:35:27 PM]

Ladorria:

In Justar's defense, I don't think that he meant they were less human, or had less feelings, just that it was different in that you don't have the luxury of seeing them face to face and to know their expressions, etc. to interpret their feelings, etc.
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[7:35:57 PM]

Ladorria:

Not that Justar needs defending, but I think that he might have been a little misunderstood earlier is all
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[7:36:28 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

excatly Nods to Ladorria
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[7:36:36 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles*
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[7:36:44 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

erases My C lol
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Yahto~GP~:

lol
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Torin»F«:

done Ladorria?
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[7:37:22 PM]

Ladorria:

but Torin, I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said, that a Master than can truly master multiple slaves can have multiple slaves
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[7:37:32 PM]

Ladorria:

and have it work well
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[7:37:56 PM]

Ladorria:

and honestly....... I've found that to be a rare thing
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[7:38:07 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[7:38:08 PM]

Torin»F«:

soraya
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[7:38:13 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^i have no clue why a FM would want to own more then one slave, but most seem to want to. i myself have been in two chains and both ended badly.Maybe it was me..or them i have no clue.
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[7:38:32 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^as Mistress said..it is rare for it to work out.
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{raziya}Winter»F«:

^c
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[7:39:03 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

in my expericance, someone always gets hurt..friendships are destroyed, and people end up leaving the home
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[7:39:14 PM]

Ladorria:

:nods
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{soraya}Torin»F«:

as You said my Master, it is about slavery not love, but lets face it ..there are human emotions involved ..slaves are needy people,
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[7:40:36 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

they will and do become attached . i myself am not one for a chain, and i dont pretend to be chain material. that being said..of course its my Masters choice and i would make the best of the situation .
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[7:40:36 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

:nods
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[7:41:01 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

and not to be..umm disrespectful..
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[7:41:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

uh oh
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[7:41:15 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

but sometimes i think for some FM..it is a big ego trip for them to have more then one slave.
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[7:41:17 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

done.
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[7:41:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

raziya
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[7:41:31 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

LOL
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[7:41:35 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

:winks
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[7:41:37 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

thank Yo Master
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[7:41:44 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

agreed
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[7:41:54 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
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[7:42:38 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

razi has been part of a chain before and it also didn't work out. razi has to agree with soraya that slaves are needy even though they try not to be
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[7:43:14 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles
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[7:43:26 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

^C
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[7:43:34 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

but if a Master or Mistress, for that matter, is strong enough for multiple slaves then it is up to them and not the slave
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[7:43:38 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

done
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[7:43:40 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
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[7:43:43 PM]

Ladorria:

The fundamental difference between the Gorean Master and the D/s Dom is that the Dom is not a Dom unless a submissive permits it... it's a power exchange... where as on Gor... a master is still a master with or without a slave
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[7:44:24 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

^C
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[7:44:34 PM]

{raziya}Winter»F«:

*nods in agreement
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[7:44:44 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

^idle
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[7:44:50 PM]

Ladorria:

so ultimately, soraya is right in that for a lot of men, that they feel like they must own slaves to be a master.. but they are still stuck in the D/s mindset
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[7:44:51 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

.
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[7:45:07 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

nods
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[7:45:16 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[7:45:18 PM]

Torin»F«:

Justar
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[7:46:29 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

It all comes down to the FM has to Know Himself and His ablilitys to handle more then 1 slave or being FC and think long and Hard about the "con" or bad thing that Might happen...done
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[7:46:43 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
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[7:46:49 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok let me defend Free men and chains for a moment....
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[7:46:56 PM]

Ladorria:

laughs
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[7:46:58 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

lol
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[7:47:00 PM]

Ladorria:

to each his own
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[7:47:07 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles
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[7:47:39 PM]

Torin»F«:

I have had mutiple slaves many times, sometimes multiple personal as well as I consider the Focus slaves my responsiblity if they are home slaves...
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[7:48:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

there are lots of bad reasons to add slaves to any kind of chain
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[7:48:29 PM]

Torin»F«:

ego boost,, more to fur...you know them all
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[7:48:34 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

now the steel chain ...well :p
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[7:48:44 PM]

Torin»F«:

there are also good reasons
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[7:48:55 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*listens*
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[7:49:07 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

agreed
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[7:49:21 PM]

Torin»F«:

and the slaves understanding a Masters reasons for adding to a chain is important
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[7:49:41 PM]

Ladorria:

^c
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[7:49:42 PM]

Torin»F«:

some good examples are from my experience
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[7:50:06 PM]

Torin»F«:

is a girl totally new to gor, and I know that I have the time, to teach her, and grow her into a good kajira
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[7:50:33 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

listens
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[7:50:43 PM]

Torin»F«:

and in fact may benefit me cause its fun to watch a new girl grow
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[7:51:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

and it could benifit the other girls as some enjoy helping someone new as well
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[7:51:26 PM]

Torin»F«:

and with homes being spread out and smaller,,it can be good for the family just to have a sister slave to hang out with
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[7:51:44 PM]

Torin»F«:

thats just one example there are other good reasons
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[7:51:48 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
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[7:51:59 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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[7:52:41 PM]

Ladorria:

well.... again, I know that not all men are here just for the ego trip... and not all of them choose to have a chain for that reason
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[7:53:27 PM]

Ladorria:

I think that there are some out there, like yourself, and Argos who love Gor as much as I do who want to teach, not just slaves, but free persons as well, as long as they are willing to learn
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[7:54:31 PM]

Ladorria:

ultimately, they type of relationship that is to be had with someone in our ethos, is going to depend on those persons
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[7:55:00 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[7:55:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

soraya
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[7:55:08 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^as for the good reasons, it begs the question, why would you need to put the slave in a personal chain to train and teach her? why not a home collar? wouldn't You still have the same affect since you Own the home, and all home slaves?
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[7:56:08 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^as the Master if FoS said..If a FM can do it ..great! if the slaves can adjust to the chain WONDERFUL!..i think its all about the people involved .
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[7:56:09 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^done
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[7:56:14 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

^C
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[7:56:16 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

.
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[7:56:18 PM]

Torin»F«:

Justar
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[7:57:42 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

I can only guess at that answer.... I think that some slaves feel it More in a personal then in a Home collar because they feel closer to the FM done
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[7:57:54 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

nods
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[7:58:34 PM]

Torin»F«:

I think it depends too on the home, if there are multiple free men in the home and one free wants to be primarily in charge ofa girls traning then a home collar could be problematic
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[7:59:05 PM]

Ladorria:

makes sense
[7:59:05 PM] ...............................
[7:59:19 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

Here Here
[7:59:19 PM] ...............................
[7:59:19 PM]

Torin»F«:

there is also the slaves perception of a difference between a home collar and a personal one that I have banged my head against the wall to fight but failed miserably many times,, LOL
[7:59:19 PM] ...............................
[7:59:31 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

grins
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[7:59:46 PM]

Torin»F«:

now let me put a twist on this topic
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[7:59:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

slaves won't like this one...
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[8:00:09 PM]

Torin»F«:

often a problem in Master slave relationships
[8:00:09 PM] ...............................
[8:00:18 PM]

Torin»F«:

especially when monogomous
[8:00:18 PM] ...............................
[8:00:24 PM]

Torin»F«:

and more loving
[8:00:24 PM] ...............................
[8:00:48 PM]

Torin»F«:

is either the man stops Mastering her in the ways he used to
[8:00:48 PM] ...............................
[8:00:59 PM]

Torin»F«:

and she starts acting like more of a girlfriend then a slave
[8:00:59 PM] ...............................
[8:00:59 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

C
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[8:01:14 PM]

Ladorria:

*has seen that many a time*
[8:01:14 PM] ...............................
[8:01:44 PM]

Torin»F«:

to me having another chain sister and seeing him as a Master to someone else almost by design
[8:01:44 PM] ...............................
[8:01:54 PM]

Torin»F«:

helps keep the slave reminded she is a slave
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[8:02:04 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

^c
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[8:02:15 PM]

Torin»F«:

Yahto
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[8:02:22 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

agreed
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[8:02:23 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

.
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[8:02:27 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

disagree
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[8:02:31 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles
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[8:02:40 PM]

Torin»F«:

yea well I knew that
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[8:02:43 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

laughs
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[8:03:16 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

There lies the challenge of every FM who is in love with his slave ,to keep her in place, and not get more lenient to her out of love ,so she becomes a girlfriend instead of being a slave
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[8:03:31 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

done
[8:03:31 PM] ...............................
[8:03:36 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
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[8:03:58 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

being =staying*
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[8:04:00 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

Nods
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[8:04:21 PM]

Torin»F«:

Winter did you change your mind
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[8:04:36 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

yes i cant type fast enough
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[8:04:36 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^c
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[8:04:41 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

lol
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[8:05:00 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok Ladorria
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[8:05:31 PM]

Ladorria:

I have to wonder if it's not a natural progression though... with love.. the M/s relationship is so personal, I mean the girl naturally will love her owner, and I'm sure that it's only natural for a man to love her in return
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[8:05:51 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

true
[8:05:51 PM] ...............................
[8:06:12 PM]

Ladorria:

so I can understand how sometimes out of love the master stops mastering the girl in ways that he did at first... then what happens?
[8:06:12 PM] ...............................
[8:06:25 PM]

Ladorria:

I mean, does her slave fire leave? or is she left wanting?
[8:06:25 PM] ...............................
[8:06:38 PM]

Ladorria:

Enquiring minds wanna know
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[8:06:41 PM]

Ladorria:

chuckles
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[8:06:44 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[8:07:01 PM]

Torin»F«:

often yes, it does, if you take away what brought you together,,trouble is often in the offing
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[8:07:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

soraya
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[8:07:07 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

^i tend to disagree, what about the *Master* that has slacked and become a bf? if a Master has allowed the slave to feel like a GF, then shame on Him, He should not throw another girl in the mix to drum up compitition.that is how trouble starts.
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[8:07:36 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

^C
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[8:08:08 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

^C - kari
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[8:08:17 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

and i think..that if thats the reason for adding another slave to a chain..the Master still has some growing to do on gor.i dont think thats a good reason, personally
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[8:09:22 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

ponders
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[8:10:08 PM]

Torin»F«:

done raya?
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[8:10:12 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

done..sorry
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[8:10:19 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok let me clarify quickly
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[8:10:41 PM]

Torin»F«:

for one adding a slave to solve a problem that already exists with an existing slave is a bad idea all around,
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[8:10:52 PM]

Torin»F«:

not fair to either slave honestly
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[8:11:05 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

Here Here
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[8:11:17 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

agrees
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[8:11:29 PM]

Torin»F«:

my point was more that if the chain has existed regularly all along
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[8:11:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

it may be less likely for the bf/gf syndrome to develop in the first place
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[8:12:04 PM]

Torin»F«:

and I was talking about online
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[8:12:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

Winter
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[8:12:12 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

sora said it for me ...agrees with her..didnt need to type lol...but now its clarafied, i withdraw...done
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[8:12:14 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

^idle
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[8:12:19 PM]

Torin»F«:

laughs
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[8:12:21 PM]

Torin»F«:

kari
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[8:12:23 PM]

Winter~FC~Benny»F«:

lol
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[8:12:25 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

.
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[8:12:27 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

:smiles
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[8:12:30 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

thank you Master
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[8:13:18 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

C
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[8:13:35 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles* kari thinks that when a Master becomes more of a "boyfriend" and lenient.. then its natural for the girl to become insecure.. the Mastery that she needs and the boundaries she once had become
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[8:14:19 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

fuzzy.. so she then feels the need to put in place her own sense of control.. .and that is when there is a risk of a slave becoming more "subbie" and more trying to top from the bottom
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[8:14:49 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

Nods
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[8:15:15 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

the same thing can occur when a Master doesn't have enough time to be there with his girl to Master her fully ... neither matters if she is the only one in his collar.. or on a chain..
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[8:15:56 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

it will be the same result anyway... *smiles*.. girl honestly believes that chains don't last long because women are really not wired that way.. even though men are
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[8:16:50 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

we will agree to a chain out of love and do our best to make it work.. and sometimes it may for a while.. but it eventually ends.. however.. in my experience *smiles* most collars online don't usually
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[8:17:37 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

last anyway either.. single or not.. we come online to learn and to grow and to explore.. she thinks it is better to put the emphasis on that.. then trying to find love in all the wrong places..
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[8:18:19 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*hums the tune* for those that do find long lasting love.. great.. but it's rare.. but to me the emphasis is to learn my slavery and to be with my Master.. whatever it takes. done
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[8:18:27 PM]

Torin»F«:

Yahto
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[8:18:31 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

To answer Ladorria's question as no slave really responded ,will add one ,does the slave seek in the first place to be mastered or to be loved ? done
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[8:18:45 PM]

Torin»F«:

ahh laughs, depends on the slave
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[8:18:58 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

lol both
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[8:19:25 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok gonna wrap it up for another couple possibly good reasons for chains at least home chains
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[8:19:40 PM]

Torin»F«:

one is numbers
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[8:19:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

I'm not sure if it is as bad as it once was
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[8:20:01 PM]

Torin»F«:

but there was always a problem in almost every gorean venue
[8:20:01 PM] ...............................
[8:20:16 PM]

Torin»F«:

that there were a lot more slaves looking for Masters, then Masters.
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[8:20:41 PM]

Torin»F«:

thus owning multiple worked out numbers wise
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[8:20:51 PM]

Torin»F«:

as far as home collars too
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[8:21:06 PM]

Torin»F«:

slaves more often then not dont pick a home because they like how the gate looks
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[8:21:47 PM]

Torin»F«:

I would submit most often it is because there is someone there, that they trust and want to be around at the least, to learn from to be mastered by
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[8:22:11 PM]

Torin»F«:

and it doesnt hurt a home most of the time to grow with good people
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[8:22:53 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

nods
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[8:23:00 PM]

Torin»F«:

so of course a girl expects even in a home collar to be mastered by someone there, to be a slave, not to just be left waiting for some super Master to one day walk t hrough the door
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[8:23:23 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

smiles
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[8:23:24 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

still waiting
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[8:23:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

laughs
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[8:24:07 PM]

Torin»F«:

and some of us Free relish that and enjoy our responsiblities to those slaves and are eager to master them whether its personal or home collars
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[8:24:18 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok any final thoughts by anyone
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[8:24:27 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

C
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[8:24:30 PM]

Torin»F«:

Yahto
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[8:25:11 PM]

Ladorria:

^C
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[8:25:32 PM]

Torin»F«:

ruffles dayeahs hair
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[8:25:34 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

Just want to say I am a one to one person ,if I do what I need to be doing to be a good Master to that one in my collar I am happy and achieved what I was looking for *done*
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[8:25:37 PM]

{dayeah}»F«:

smiles
[8:25:37 PM] ...............................
[8:25:47 PM]

Torin»F«:

Ladorria
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[8:25:51 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*smiles*
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[8:26:04 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

well said
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[8:26:10 PM]

Torin»F«:

suck up
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[8:26:18 PM]

{karimah}Å«Fo§»:

*laughs*
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[8:26:18 PM]

Torin»F«:

:smiles
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[8:26:28 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

lol
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[8:26:33 PM]

Ladorria:

Just to say that regardless of how many slaves a master chooses to have, it is, after all, when it's said and done up to him to decide...
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[8:26:36 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

no i really liked what He said
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[8:26:43 PM]

Torin»F«:

I know
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[8:26:50 PM]

Ladorria:

but whether he has one or twenty, it doesn't make him any more or less of a man
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[8:27:23 PM]

Ladorria:

and monogamy or polygamy is neither Gorean, or not.... it's all a matter of personal preference
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[8:27:28 PM]

Ladorria:

done
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[8:27:28 PM]

Torin»F«:

:nods
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[8:27:32 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

that be Trueth
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[8:27:43 PM]

Torin»F«:

I always tell any slave I own on chains that I never say never
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[8:28:01 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

You do?
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[8:28:05 PM]

Torin»F«:

but what I dont tell them is it sure go through a lot less advil when its peaceful
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[8:28:06 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

:winks
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[8:28:23 PM]

Torin»F«:

ok thanks all for coming
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[8:28:29 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

LOL You just did Lol
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[8:28:33 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

lol
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[8:28:36 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

lol
[8:28:36 PM] ...............................
[8:28:36 PM]

Torin»F«:

oops
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[8:28:43 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

yeah me too my Master
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[8:28:46 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

grins
[8:28:46 PM] ...............................
[8:28:54 PM]

Torin»F«:

advil is an american headache remedy for you forigners
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[8:29:07 PM]

Yahto~GP~:

Thanks again for hosting the discussion Torin ,as always was a pleasure to be part of :-)
[8:29:07 PM] ...............................
[8:29:14 PM]

Torin»F«:

thanks for coming Yahto
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[8:29:16 PM]

{lalita}Yahto~GP~:

thank You Master
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[8:29:19 PM]

{soraya}Torin»F«:

it was great my Master..thank You
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[8:29:24 PM]

Kiswahili <JF> CA:

Good disussion Torin. Thanks. I must depart. I wish you all well.
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[8:29:26 PM]

Justar~IFC-A~Fo§~SC:

I wish All well
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